Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

**This blog contains spoilers**

· 殺生丸=せっしょうまる=Sesshoumaru

· 妖怪=ようかい= youkai, (spirit, ghost, phantom, strange apparition) are a class of supernatural monsters and spirits in Japanese folklore. -Wikipedia

· アニメ= anime is the shortened form of アニメーション= animation

o Anime in Japan is all animations. While anime in other countries is only from Japan.

A Lie Is A Lie Even If Everyone Believes It. The Truth Is The Truth Even If Nobody Believes It.” ~ David Stevens


In regards to the results. (More results at the end of this page.)

This research finds:
Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests: Fanon

*note: We changed this after we gain new canon information. HOWEVER, there could be an interpretion depending on how the viewer interprets the re-imaging of the story by the studio without having all knowledge.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as love interests: Fanon.

Sesshoumaru and the current Rin as love interests: in between an non-exist pairing and fanon. In addition, used to attack the next pairing with biases.

Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as love interests: studio-cannon (non-canon) and could could be interpret with the foreshawing in the Manga. However, Rumiko-sensei canon.

(Note: Before Yashahime, The drama cd does count, if not then Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests are not non-canon/studio-canon either.)

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Disclaimers: The animation called Inuyasha and the quotes from the manga belong to Rumiko Takahashi. This blog does not claim the quotes from the manga or the animation as its own.

The purpose of this blog is to present the genuine results of an intensive research to approve or disapprove statements from the blogs. This blog findings has disapproved the majority of the falsified claims. The links to the blogs have been excessively posted to www.Facebook.com, www.fanfiction.net, www.deviantart.com, and many other sites pertaining to the prejudiced pairing of the blogs in the Inuyasha fandom. This blog is not attacking any fanon (fan made) pairings, or any of the reader’s beliefs. Posting a link to this blog site is acceptable. Please make a review or comment to the material you are posting to when you are posting this link. However, please DO NOT use this blog to make a person wrong in their beliefs or try to hurt someone by attacking any fanon pairings. Fans do not stand for what is happening with the blogs below. Therefore, this blog should not be used in the same way. The blogs in cross-reference with the manga follows:

http://Sesshomaruandrinfaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandrin.blogspot.com/

http://Sesshomaruandkagurafaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandkagura.blogspot.com/

In regards of the manga and the animation, the material was carefully reviewed in the point of view from the blogs. In fact on the first reading of the English manga was read from the point of view from the blogs. Instead, the results found a different truth than what is stated in the blogs. Without the support from the factual story of the manga instead of a fabricated story the argument in the blogs falls apart. Important information follows:

1) The facts from the manga are from the Japanese version. The Japanese version is the original source. There are many translations in the world which would slightly different in translation. If you do not agree with a point, please provide evidence that supports your view from the manga, volume and chapter. Otherwise your post will just be an opinion and disregard information for this blog. Please do not twist what happen in the manga either because the manga will speak for itself. The reason this blog is mainly focused on the manga is because the manga is 100% approved by Rumiko Takahashi-sensei.

2) We are all fans of Inuyasha: just because we do not like a pairing we should not attack or harass others. We should be standing together and sharing our love for Inuyasha than attacking each other. Just because one is against a pairing does not give one permission to attack other fans what is canon or not canon. Fanon is what the fans create and other fans love. Therefore, should be accepted in the fandom, if someone puts Sesshoumaru with Ayame or Miroko with Kagome or dare should it be said, Sango with Quagmire from Family Guy.

3) The final act of the animation has been altered from the story from the manga. This change will be different, if you watched only the animation, and will lead to confusion. Just note it is different from the manga.

4) The two links with Faq in the link above, have been read a few times and have been compared with the manga. The facts are altered and reshaped to fit the blogs views. This blog believes their reasoning is critical for them to get a point across. However, their interpretation is not accurate from the manga.

5) Everyone is going to have different opinions. That does not make someone right or wrong. Some Inuyasha lovers will say Sesshoumaru and Rin are father and daughter then cringe at them being future lovers. Other would cringe at them being father and daughter because they see them as future lovers. And of course they can just see them as companions, like Inuyasha and Sango. The same goes with Kagura and Sesshoumaru being together; some approve or cringe of the thought. Any of these views does not make them wrong or right because they are judging from their knowledge. However, when you learn different perspectives from the culture from the original country, the viewer will learn how the author wanted the readers to see their story.

6) This blog is not a response to the blogs. Please remember, this blog is not attacking anyone or any fanon pairing. This blog only focused on the facts from the manga, and the misleading information from the blogs. The main goal of this blog is to provide correct information for fans of Inuyasha, and debunking the information provided in the blogs. This blog is not debunking any fanon pairings for fans to use in stories on fanfiction.net or any media for fans. In a words of a friend, "fanfiction is just that: "fan" fiction. There are no right or wrong pairings, just those you like. But that's the wonderful thing about fanfiction, we don't all have to like the same things and I think that's what makes fanfiction fun." Anyone could easily make any two characters a “canon” pair in how they interpret the manga when the manga does not support it. That does not make it true. No one should be attacked or bashed for a pairing. In the words of many fans, if you don’t like a certain pairing then don’t read them. No one should be attacked for what they believe in or don’t believe in. Each fan story is just a different parallel universe and does not change the real story from the manga. The end of the manga allow space for fan writers if you feel threaten that is not the blog intentions.

7) The plan was to post most of the information in one blog entry. However, this blog will be posted in selections to be user-friendly. If a reader disagrees with the claims this blogs makes, please read the sections that supports this blogs claim. There will be too much information for one entry containing most of the information together.

The following are results from the intensive research.

From the manga: (anime is below)

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as lovers: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interest: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as allies? Frenemies?: canon. (Toward the end)

Sesshoumaru and Rin as father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as adopted father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as guardian and ward: not canon (yes new interview ues a word that could use this but that word has different meanings like the next one)

Sesshoumaru as Rin’s guardian/protector: canon

Sesshoumaru raised Rin: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions: canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as master and pet: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) as lovers: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) in a platonic relationship: canon

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: 殺りん: inconclusive but (possibly) implied

Sesshoumaru groomed Rin: Not cannon, that is a disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Sesshoumaru is a pedophile: Not cannon, another disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Loving Sesshourmaru and older Rin as lovers does not support: Child grooming, pedophilia, and any negative disgusting thought that is just attacking people.

From the Animation/Studio canon: All are the same but two.

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: Studio canon

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential lovers: Could possibly be interpreted to studio canon but isn't, depends if a viewer will interpret the alter animation as such. The writers of this blog loves Kagura and can see how someone could interpret it as such but does not support that interpretation. Sesshoumaru and Kagura is a good Fanon pairing. However, cannonly, there is no support. Kagura, if she got her freedom would fly away and Sesshoumaru had no interested in her being with him as a follower or such.

Note: Some as claimed Sesshoumaru and Rin has a brother/sister relationship vibe, which could be interpreted and could fall into the companions’ category.


In addition, because of the amount of research, some information from the research has been removed from this main blog entry and made into their own page. These entries are from research from the claims on the internet that goes against Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as lovers.

Clicking on the links below, you will not be taken to other page. Clicking on a link, the page would be below this section on this page.

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/disputing-blogs.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/not-father-and-daughter.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/samatitles.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/he-did-not-raise-rintime-line.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/age.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/future-lovers.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/canon-cd-dramaasatte.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/child-groominganother-negative-views.html

1) Both blogs had the same message at the end, both were worded differently. One said “You can like/dislike whatever you want, as long as you don't deny that this is the canon pairing” From the actions for over many years this is clearly not the case. People have the right to love a pairing and should not be told they are wrong. What does the actions with an intent to harm other fans say with false facts and trying to make everyone wrong when it goes against what you like? What does it say when someone attempts to control others and force them into someone’s own beliefs?

2) Let’s not show our hatred but give our friendship, from the actions that has been happening seems like someone needs a friend or more. They have their reasons in why they are doing. They need to know, if their reason is to protect Rin. They do not have to protect Rin, a character loved by Sesshoumaru and all the fans that is not going to be sexual abused. Or they feel threaten their view is wrong, it is so sad that they have been shown their hate for years. Would it not be better to be happy and spending time on the pairing a fan loves than to live hating a fiction couple and trying to spread that hatred? They could be masking their own pain by posting these links but how is attempting to make others feel the way they do going to help anything? In the blogs, they demean, Rin, Sesshoumaru, Rumiko Takahashi-sensei, the manga, romantic love, other fans, the one they could demean the most is the writer of the blogs. The blogs make the writer look threaten by other views and that they read a different manga apart from what Takahashi-sensei wrote. This blog is not attacking or trying to cause ill feelings with the writer, the blog is not making them feel that way. When someone attacks someone and belittles others, and judge them, it really shows how little and how insecure one is about their selves. Anyone twisting someone else words in trying to hurt them in retaliation is futile because it shows what they said were true and the words upset them with the truth. Perhaps they need to work on themselves, There is a possibly they have a lot in their past that they need to take care of. It is important for them to resolve their feelings themselves than taking it out on this blog or the Inuyasha fandom on innocent fans. The past is the past. They could attack this blog but they need to remember that this blog is fact driven by the manga and by the Japanese culture. Their fight is not with this blog.

3) Sesshoumaru’s canon love interest in the manga is no one or Rin when she is older. The manga definitely supports Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions by the words Takahashi-sensei used is how she wanted them to be seen. In addition, with “the future lovers?” entry of this blog, the manga could support them as future lovers. Moreover, in the canon entry of this blog, explains how the Drama Cd where Sesshoumaru proposes to Rin is studio canon. The best possible solution, if this blog did not solve the problem, is to say Sess/older Rin as a canon pairing are in the gray area. From the research the pairing rather it be canon or studio-canon of Sesshoumaru and Rin 〈殺りん〉is not going to go away. And this applies to all pairings like them being adoptive father and daughter as well. It just different viewpoints and it is not worth arguing about it or harassing others.

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Future Lovers?

 (Edited: 1/16/20)

Sesshomaru and Rin (16 +) as lovers? 

 This blog serves as a foundation for this page, not just this page. The belief of them being father and daughter or Sesshomaru being an father figure or he raised her is just misinterpretations. It is not wrong to have our own interpretation but those ideas are not supported by the manga or animation. Fans are okay to dislike this pairing but not attacking, use criminal terms against them or shaming others. 

Most, if not all, Sessrin shippers don’t ship 8-10 year-old Rin with physically 19 years-old Sesshomaru.  She is of age.         

   Canon: They are companions. Manga character profile she is not listed under kin, she is listed under servant with Jaken and A-un. They have a master/servant relationship.  Japanese language supports this but the meanings can’t be fully translated in English and other languages.


Sesshomaru falling in love, being attracted to her personality is not being sexually attracted to her when she is a child. This is not child grooming, or anything negative. who ever places these negative views on Sesshoumaru are not true fans of Sesshoumaru or  Rumiko Takahashi Sensei's work. When they thinking this way they do not demean the pairing but they demean Sesshoumaru, Takahashi Sensei, and themselves. 


Sesshomaru meeting Rin, leaving her with Keade, and visiting her over the years then to a romantic love is not bad.  There are many stories platonic love that goes into romantic love. This example also shows a platonic love can go to a romantic love. In Hotarubi no mori e, Gin was a human, turned into a youkai. He meets Kotaru when is she 6. They meet for years and they fall in love by the she reached the age he appears to be.   She was younger than Rin.

 In Japan, they would see Rin and Sesshoumaru as potential lovers when Rin gets older. That is why the drama cd has him purposing. They would make something that would sale because they want to make money and showing there is a big population that ships them together. Most would see the kimono Rin receives as an act of courting.  Not many, if any, Japanese people would see them as father and daughter.  

Courtship is different in Japan and could take years compare to USA customs.

     

In the main part of the series, Miroku is 18 years-old and Sango is 16 years-old, when Kagome returned in the final they had twin girls who are 2-3 years old.  Sango was 17 years-old when she had the twins. 


-Japanese Consent Law-

The manga is wrote with modern views and modern language. Therefore, Rin could be 16 when they get married 


 The sources state the age of current times is 16 years-old with consent and 18 years-old when they can choose. In one source following the laws for modern times it said an 18 and 19 year old could not be together because of laws without having the intentions to get married with consent. 



Kagura and Sesshoumaru could not be together in modern times unless they want to get married and have consent. The laws are strict in Japan but it is to protect their citizens. Their age of consent is 13 years-old but that is for under 17 years-old not older.  


 

 Kagura was only a few months old and appeared 17 years-old.   Kagura has an older sister, Kanna appears 10 years old but only a few months old as well.  If people were shipping Sesshoumaru and Kanna would there be the fight as with Sesshoumaru and Rin? When she is older than Kagura? and when Rin is actually older than both Kagura and Kanna? If this is indeed about age with Rin than why ship Sesshoumaru with someone who is 4 or 5 months old? Why would Sesshoumaru/ Kagura be okay and not Sesshoumaru/Kanna. 

Rin will age and when she is adult, age does not matter like how people perceives Kagura being an 17 years-ok’d instead of how long she lived. As said in the age page, we are supposed to see Sesshoumaru as 19 years old and not how long he had lived. Double Standards. Having no standards on one character (Kagura) and have double standards on other one (Rin/ Kanna) is just wrong, isn't?   Double standards  "a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards," to a human girl that will age and has lived longer than a few months old youkai appearing to be 17 years old.   


Romantic relationships-

 

www.bandbacktogether.com/romantic-relationship-resources/

Romantic relationships are often thought of as friendships with the addition of passion, intimacy and commitment. To love and to be loved just as you are; to form a partnership and build a lifetime together; to look at your partner and see the future, these are some of the most rewarding parts of life.

 


. In romantic relationships, “falling in love is the concept of moving from a feeling of neutrality towards a person to one of love.” (Google search.)  You can’t help who you fall in love with or when. It just happens. The blog said, “Meaning that not even Rin had enough influence on him.”   

What we learn by his mother in Volume 48, it could had been anyone close to Sesshoumaru that would cause the change in his heart. In addition, in the character section in the manga, when Rin is there like volume 48 and volume 54, it said she brings out the best in him. Since he meet Rin she has taught him a lot and has changed him.  She planted the seeds of kindness, always seem him as kind, and seems to understand him. In my experience, normally when someone bring out the best in someone else, usually it is the one your meet to be with not “a potential daughter.” This does not mean someone coming into your life and changing one view, Rin changed him, how he felt and thought. He became a better (man) Youkai. if not for Rin, Sesshoumaru would never change or received the meidou. It took time for those seeds to grow and for him to realize a new path in his heart and probably why his heart did not change sooner to make the tenseiga change. Meaning it was just time for him to take that big first step and looking at this way I bet there were other ways for him to take that step. He changed, he came more tolerable to others. Got over his prejudice. He even treats Inuyasha different and I don’t believe he really wanted to kill him through the series. Just mislead anger.

They only have a platonic love but when she gets older a romantic love can happen. Sesshoumaru learns how precious she is to him when she died the second time, which can be a daughter, young sister, companion, or even lover. That is up to the reader. Even if the manga indicates something else like companions or future lovers. There is a reason why the writers did movie 3 and the cd. There is a reason there are always comparison in between Rin to Kagome. 

If he is courting her at the end with the kimono, Courting is not dating....    “Courtship takes the position that the two people have no physical contact at all (no touching, no hand-holding, no kissing) until marriage.” www.gotquestions.org/difference-dating-courting.html

Sesshomaru had always let her defend for her self and make her choice. Considering since he has years of mislead anger effecting him. He was guarded and only an innocent unconditional love of a child break those walls.


Kimonos-

 Kimonos have symbolism and meaning.

The writers of this blog is not familiar with patterns and symbolic meanings.

However, Sesshomaru giving Kimonos to Rin would be interpreted at courtship in the Japanese culture.  More on courting down below.


If Rin was 8:

Rin would be 17/18 when she had the twins. When the twins are 4, Rin would be 21/22 and Sota is either her age or a year older, he would be able to raise Towa at 20 or 21 and he raised her for 10 years. That means Rin would be 31/32 years old by the time the twins are 14. That means from the special chapter that takes 6 months after the final to when the new series starts, 19 to 20 years has passed.