Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

**This blog contains spoilers**

· 殺生丸=せっしょうまる=Sesshoumaru

· 妖怪=ようかい= youkai, (spirit, ghost, phantom, strange apparition) are a class of supernatural monsters and spirits in Japanese folklore. -Wikipedia

· アニメ= anime is the shortened form of アニメーション= animation

o Anime in Japan is all animations. While anime in other countries is only from Japan.

A Lie Is A Lie Even If Everyone Believes It. The Truth Is The Truth Even If Nobody Believes It.” ~ David Stevens


In regards to the results. (More results at the end of this page.)

This research finds:
Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests: Fanon

*note: We changed this after we gain new canon information. HOWEVER, there could be an interpretion depending on how the viewer interprets the re-imaging of the story by the studio without having all knowledge.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as love interests: Fanon.

Sesshoumaru and the current Rin as love interests: in between an non-exist pairing and fanon. In addition, used to attack the next pairing with biases.

Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as love interests: studio-cannon (non-canon) and could could be interpret with the foreshawing in the Manga. However, Rumiko-sensei canon.

(Note: Before Yashahime, The drama cd does count, if not then Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests are not non-canon/studio-canon either.)

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Disclaimers: The animation called Inuyasha and the quotes from the manga belong to Rumiko Takahashi. This blog does not claim the quotes from the manga or the animation as its own.

The purpose of this blog is to present the genuine results of an intensive research to approve or disapprove statements from the blogs. This blog findings has disapproved the majority of the falsified claims. The links to the blogs have been excessively posted to www.Facebook.com, www.fanfiction.net, www.deviantart.com, and many other sites pertaining to the prejudiced pairing of the blogs in the Inuyasha fandom. This blog is not attacking any fanon (fan made) pairings, or any of the reader’s beliefs. Posting a link to this blog site is acceptable. Please make a review or comment to the material you are posting to when you are posting this link. However, please DO NOT use this blog to make a person wrong in their beliefs or try to hurt someone by attacking any fanon pairings. Fans do not stand for what is happening with the blogs below. Therefore, this blog should not be used in the same way. The blogs in cross-reference with the manga follows:

http://Sesshomaruandrinfaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandrin.blogspot.com/

http://Sesshomaruandkagurafaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandkagura.blogspot.com/

In regards of the manga and the animation, the material was carefully reviewed in the point of view from the blogs. In fact on the first reading of the English manga was read from the point of view from the blogs. Instead, the results found a different truth than what is stated in the blogs. Without the support from the factual story of the manga instead of a fabricated story the argument in the blogs falls apart. Important information follows:

1) The facts from the manga are from the Japanese version. The Japanese version is the original source. There are many translations in the world which would slightly different in translation. If you do not agree with a point, please provide evidence that supports your view from the manga, volume and chapter. Otherwise your post will just be an opinion and disregard information for this blog. Please do not twist what happen in the manga either because the manga will speak for itself. The reason this blog is mainly focused on the manga is because the manga is 100% approved by Rumiko Takahashi-sensei.

2) We are all fans of Inuyasha: just because we do not like a pairing we should not attack or harass others. We should be standing together and sharing our love for Inuyasha than attacking each other. Just because one is against a pairing does not give one permission to attack other fans what is canon or not canon. Fanon is what the fans create and other fans love. Therefore, should be accepted in the fandom, if someone puts Sesshoumaru with Ayame or Miroko with Kagome or dare should it be said, Sango with Quagmire from Family Guy.

3) The final act of the animation has been altered from the story from the manga. This change will be different, if you watched only the animation, and will lead to confusion. Just note it is different from the manga.

4) The two links with Faq in the link above, have been read a few times and have been compared with the manga. The facts are altered and reshaped to fit the blogs views. This blog believes their reasoning is critical for them to get a point across. However, their interpretation is not accurate from the manga.

5) Everyone is going to have different opinions. That does not make someone right or wrong. Some Inuyasha lovers will say Sesshoumaru and Rin are father and daughter then cringe at them being future lovers. Other would cringe at them being father and daughter because they see them as future lovers. And of course they can just see them as companions, like Inuyasha and Sango. The same goes with Kagura and Sesshoumaru being together; some approve or cringe of the thought. Any of these views does not make them wrong or right because they are judging from their knowledge. However, when you learn different perspectives from the culture from the original country, the viewer will learn how the author wanted the readers to see their story.

6) This blog is not a response to the blogs. Please remember, this blog is not attacking anyone or any fanon pairing. This blog only focused on the facts from the manga, and the misleading information from the blogs. The main goal of this blog is to provide correct information for fans of Inuyasha, and debunking the information provided in the blogs. This blog is not debunking any fanon pairings for fans to use in stories on fanfiction.net or any media for fans. In a words of a friend, "fanfiction is just that: "fan" fiction. There are no right or wrong pairings, just those you like. But that's the wonderful thing about fanfiction, we don't all have to like the same things and I think that's what makes fanfiction fun." Anyone could easily make any two characters a “canon” pair in how they interpret the manga when the manga does not support it. That does not make it true. No one should be attacked or bashed for a pairing. In the words of many fans, if you don’t like a certain pairing then don’t read them. No one should be attacked for what they believe in or don’t believe in. Each fan story is just a different parallel universe and does not change the real story from the manga. The end of the manga allow space for fan writers if you feel threaten that is not the blog intentions.

7) The plan was to post most of the information in one blog entry. However, this blog will be posted in selections to be user-friendly. If a reader disagrees with the claims this blogs makes, please read the sections that supports this blogs claim. There will be too much information for one entry containing most of the information together.

The following are results from the intensive research.

From the manga: (anime is below)

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as lovers: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interest: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as allies? Frenemies?: canon. (Toward the end)

Sesshoumaru and Rin as father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as adopted father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as guardian and ward: not canon (yes new interview ues a word that could use this but that word has different meanings like the next one)

Sesshoumaru as Rin’s guardian/protector: canon

Sesshoumaru raised Rin: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions: canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as master and pet: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) as lovers: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) in a platonic relationship: canon

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: 殺りん: inconclusive but (possibly) implied

Sesshoumaru groomed Rin: Not cannon, that is a disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Sesshoumaru is a pedophile: Not cannon, another disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Loving Sesshourmaru and older Rin as lovers does not support: Child grooming, pedophilia, and any negative disgusting thought that is just attacking people.

From the Animation/Studio canon: All are the same but two.

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: Studio canon

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential lovers: Could possibly be interpreted to studio canon but isn't, depends if a viewer will interpret the alter animation as such. The writers of this blog loves Kagura and can see how someone could interpret it as such but does not support that interpretation. Sesshoumaru and Kagura is a good Fanon pairing. However, cannonly, there is no support. Kagura, if she got her freedom would fly away and Sesshoumaru had no interested in her being with him as a follower or such.

Note: Some as claimed Sesshoumaru and Rin has a brother/sister relationship vibe, which could be interpreted and could fall into the companions’ category.


In addition, because of the amount of research, some information from the research has been removed from this main blog entry and made into their own page. These entries are from research from the claims on the internet that goes against Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as lovers.

Clicking on the links below, you will not be taken to other page. Clicking on a link, the page would be below this section on this page.

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/disputing-blogs.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/not-father-and-daughter.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/samatitles.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/he-did-not-raise-rintime-line.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/age.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/future-lovers.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/canon-cd-dramaasatte.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/child-groominganother-negative-views.html

1) Both blogs had the same message at the end, both were worded differently. One said “You can like/dislike whatever you want, as long as you don't deny that this is the canon pairing” From the actions for over many years this is clearly not the case. People have the right to love a pairing and should not be told they are wrong. What does the actions with an intent to harm other fans say with false facts and trying to make everyone wrong when it goes against what you like? What does it say when someone attempts to control others and force them into someone’s own beliefs?

2) Let’s not show our hatred but give our friendship, from the actions that has been happening seems like someone needs a friend or more. They have their reasons in why they are doing. They need to know, if their reason is to protect Rin. They do not have to protect Rin, a character loved by Sesshoumaru and all the fans that is not going to be sexual abused. Or they feel threaten their view is wrong, it is so sad that they have been shown their hate for years. Would it not be better to be happy and spending time on the pairing a fan loves than to live hating a fiction couple and trying to spread that hatred? They could be masking their own pain by posting these links but how is attempting to make others feel the way they do going to help anything? In the blogs, they demean, Rin, Sesshoumaru, Rumiko Takahashi-sensei, the manga, romantic love, other fans, the one they could demean the most is the writer of the blogs. The blogs make the writer look threaten by other views and that they read a different manga apart from what Takahashi-sensei wrote. This blog is not attacking or trying to cause ill feelings with the writer, the blog is not making them feel that way. When someone attacks someone and belittles others, and judge them, it really shows how little and how insecure one is about their selves. Anyone twisting someone else words in trying to hurt them in retaliation is futile because it shows what they said were true and the words upset them with the truth. Perhaps they need to work on themselves, There is a possibly they have a lot in their past that they need to take care of. It is important for them to resolve their feelings themselves than taking it out on this blog or the Inuyasha fandom on innocent fans. The past is the past. They could attack this blog but they need to remember that this blog is fact driven by the manga and by the Japanese culture. Their fight is not with this blog.

3) Sesshoumaru’s canon love interest in the manga is no one or Rin when she is older. The manga definitely supports Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions by the words Takahashi-sensei used is how she wanted them to be seen. In addition, with “the future lovers?” entry of this blog, the manga could support them as future lovers. Moreover, in the canon entry of this blog, explains how the Drama Cd where Sesshoumaru proposes to Rin is studio canon. The best possible solution, if this blog did not solve the problem, is to say Sess/older Rin as a canon pairing are in the gray area. From the research the pairing rather it be canon or studio-canon of Sesshoumaru and Rin 〈殺りん〉is not going to go away. And this applies to all pairings like them being adoptive father and daughter as well. It just different viewpoints and it is not worth arguing about it or harassing others.

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Canon/ CD Drama/Asatte

 

 

This entry discusses what a Drama CD is, what canon is, what happens in the Drama CD Asatte and is Asatte just for fanservice?  

What is a Drama CD or Audio dramas?  Inu-drama.tumblr does an excellent job explaining, ‘The Inuyasha (or any) audio dramas are extra "episodes" recorded in an audio-only format by the Japanese voice actors and released to CD. In general, they are parodies or satire of the original series.”

What is Canon? Is the official studio made movies, filler episodes of the animation and drama CD canon?

The best answer would be that is personal preference, depends on what you consider canon.

In defining canon, from google search canon is “a collection or list of sacred books accepted as genuine”. From Merriam-Webster, “the authentic works of a writer.”  From the uncreditable wiki “In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story.”

While the Drama CD’s, Filler episodes, movies and the extra scenes  the studio adds in canon episodes are not Rumiko Takahashi-sensei canon but they are officially made from the animation studio, therefore they are studio canon. A parody from Saturday Night Live is still canon, or a parody from an author is still canon. The movies that are parodies from the horror movie genre are still canon like “Scary Movie ”  2000  directed by Keenen Ivory Wayans.  Is the book, The Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkein, which was finished by his son still canon? For Batman, which was created by two people and they have both died (Bill Finger, 1974, and Bob Kane.1998) However, there are viewers that says that today’s show are still canon because it is still DC comics. Disney movies are not canon stories of the originals but are still Disney’s canon. The correct answer is it depends on what you consider canon.

Some can say a drama cd, is non-canon which means does not fit into the story line but still officially made. Non-canon does not mean it is not canon, just a different kind of canon.

This is like arguing over Sesshoumaru’s poison whips are not canon. Futile to fight because the views him not having the poison whips in the manga and him having them in the animation are both canon. It is not going to affect any reader or the characters what is canon attacks or canon pairs. Here is another difference in between the Manga and Animation with Sesshoumaru. His outfit is red and white in the animation but it is purple and white in the Manga. It is your own actions that either infects harm on others or make wonderful friends with the same love.   

 

What happens in the Inuyasha Drama CD Asatte?

In an official studio made Drama CD called Asatte. Sesshoumaru proposals to Rin. At the beginning Sesshoumaru is walking with Jaken, after a small conversation this is said.

殺「そろそろ、りんに言わねばならない。」
邪「おー、お、お!? それはあれでございますな? 人里で暮らすよりも殺生丸様の嫁として暮らすことを遂に
殺「だが、その良き言葉が思いつかん。」

Sesshoumaru: The time has come… for me to have a talk with Rin.

Jaken: Oooh-ho-ho-ho, you mean that? You’re finally going to ask her to live with you as your bride rather than live in the human village…
Sesshoumaru: However, I cannot think of the right words.

They go to visit his father’s tomb to ask his father with using the meidou stone.  At the end he tells Rin in a parody situation and she blushes. Later we get to hear his words.   This is only the end of his speech. The English Translation is from Inu-drama.tumblr.

殺生丸

隔たりは何も無い。心は繋がっておる。
信じる力があれば恐れることはない。
その気持ちさえあれば心は満ちるはずだ。
だから今はまだこのままでよい。
時は十分にある。
ゆっくりとお前の心を見つめておればよい。
それまで己を大事にせよ。」

Sesshoumaru


Distance is no object. Our hearts are tied together.
With the power of trust, there is nothing to fear.
Simply having that feeling should be enough to fill your heart.
That is why it is fine for things to remain as they are for now.
We have plenty of time.
You can examine your heart at your own pace.
Until then, take care of yourself.

隔たりHedatari could be “distance” or could be translated as “Something between us.” Distance does flow with what Sesshoumaru said before that. The title “asatte” is a continuity of the epilogue chapter which is called “Tomorrow”. Asatte, means day after tomorrow. Tomorrow in this case means the future, where the adventure will lead to. Therefore, this could be literally a day after the epilogue chapter or a day after the future, the tomorrow meant in the chapter. Meaning we don’t know when this takes place from the epilogue chapter. One day, two weeks, 6 months, 3 years, 5 years. We may never know how old Rin is when he proposed to her. And with all due respect it is not worth arguing about. A marriage proposal does not mean married that year, it could be 5 years from when someone asks and Sesshoumaru told her to take her time to examine her heart.  Demi levoto got an marriage proposal from a 5 year old boy, Justin Bieber got an marriage proposal from a 8 year old girl, even kids proposes to kids, and there are some couples that waits 5 years before they get married.  In addition, many against  the idea thinks Rin is still 8 at this time but she is not the 8 year old girl at this point, the epilogue had time jump to three years and the special chapter has a 6 month jump. Therefore Rin is 11 or 12 years old at the end of the manga. Some says the Drama CD takes place 5 years later, some says that is a mistranslation. But if it is 5 years later, She would be 16 or 17 years old.  She is not going to stay a child forever. She is not Claudia from “Interview With the Vampire”.  Children they grow up. Since, we don’t see her as an adult. Maybe it is hard for readers to see her older.

 Is the Drama CD “Asatte” fan service?

Some readers say this Drama CD is not canon and is for fan service. Why would Sesshoumaru proposing to Rin be fan service? If we are meant to view them as daughter and father would it not be of him adopting her or some parody of them “being” father and daughter?  The answer is simple.  Because the CD would not happen if we are meant to view them as daughter and father.  The studio unquestionably based that off the Japanese viewers because the drama CDs are most likely would not be picked up from other countries. That leaves the question, why make something that would not sell in their own country. Therefore, readers in Japan don’t view them as father and daughter.

Let’s take the walking dead, if another country wanted Daryl and Carol together and USA plus other countries did not have that view why would the studio put Daryl and Carol together?  That is possibly why Rick and Michonne is together in the TV series since that does not happen in the comics. The writer of the comics works with the staff of the series. The comics and the series are vastly different but still canon.

 In the series of Inuyasha, the writers created Ayame. Kouga made a promise to marry Ayame when she is older. The viewers seen her as an adult first and then their backstory. If Ayame and Kouga back story was reveal first would that be less tolerable? Why would it make a difference if at the beginning when someone is a child then seeing them as an adult to seeing someone as an adult first then seeing them a child? Same story either way.  If Rin was introduce as adult first and we had seen the backstory of how she meet Seshoumaru and fell in love. Would it had been more understandable and tolerable? Like other stories? Like Doctor Who and River Song? Then again we have not seen Rin as an adult and that is why it is hard for some to see her nothing more than a mere child that in truth she will be a short time period in her life.

On the Simpons wikia, they have some alternative time lines and other studio canon episodes as non-canon. This means the alternative time lines and other episodes are still canon but is not canon from the canon storyline. When non-canon is used it does ‘not canon’, it is more like non-story-canon canon. This blog could had used non-canon instead of studio-canon.


In the blog entry disputing the blogs…  Miroku and Koharu were discussed and it was not a marriage proposal.

 

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_%28fiction%29

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canon

https://www.google.com/search?q=+canon+meaning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

http://inu-drama.tumblr.com/post/58955105171/asatte-02

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_drama#Japan

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110605190828AASIWST