Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

Facts about Sesshoumaru, Kagura, and Rin from the manga.

**This blog contains spoilers**

· 殺生丸=せっしょうまる=Sesshoumaru

· 妖怪=ようかい= youkai, (spirit, ghost, phantom, strange apparition) are a class of supernatural monsters and spirits in Japanese folklore. -Wikipedia

· アニメ= anime is the shortened form of アニメーション= animation

o Anime in Japan is all animations. While anime in other countries is only from Japan.

A Lie Is A Lie Even If Everyone Believes It. The Truth Is The Truth Even If Nobody Believes It.” ~ David Stevens


In regards to the results. (More results at the end of this page.)

This research finds:
Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests: Fanon

*note: We changed this after we gain new canon information. HOWEVER, there could be an interpretion depending on how the viewer interprets the re-imaging of the story by the studio without having all knowledge.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as love interests: Fanon.

Sesshoumaru and the current Rin as love interests: in between an non-exist pairing and fanon. In addition, used to attack the next pairing with biases.

Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as love interests: studio-cannon (non-canon) and could could be interpret with the foreshawing in the Manga. However, Rumiko-sensei canon.

(Note: Before Yashahime, The drama cd does count, if not then Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interests are not non-canon/studio-canon either.)

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Disclaimers: The animation called Inuyasha and the quotes from the manga belong to Rumiko Takahashi. This blog does not claim the quotes from the manga or the animation as its own.

The purpose of this blog is to present the genuine results of an intensive research to approve or disapprove statements from the blogs. This blog findings has disapproved the majority of the falsified claims. The links to the blogs have been excessively posted to www.Facebook.com, www.fanfiction.net, www.deviantart.com, and many other sites pertaining to the prejudiced pairing of the blogs in the Inuyasha fandom. This blog is not attacking any fanon (fan made) pairings, or any of the reader’s beliefs. Posting a link to this blog site is acceptable. Please make a review or comment to the material you are posting to when you are posting this link. However, please DO NOT use this blog to make a person wrong in their beliefs or try to hurt someone by attacking any fanon pairings. Fans do not stand for what is happening with the blogs below. Therefore, this blog should not be used in the same way. The blogs in cross-reference with the manga follows:

http://Sesshomaruandrinfaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandrin.blogspot.com/

http://Sesshomaruandkagurafaq.blogspot.com/ or http://Sesshomaruandkagura.blogspot.com/

In regards of the manga and the animation, the material was carefully reviewed in the point of view from the blogs. In fact on the first reading of the English manga was read from the point of view from the blogs. Instead, the results found a different truth than what is stated in the blogs. Without the support from the factual story of the manga instead of a fabricated story the argument in the blogs falls apart. Important information follows:

1) The facts from the manga are from the Japanese version. The Japanese version is the original source. There are many translations in the world which would slightly different in translation. If you do not agree with a point, please provide evidence that supports your view from the manga, volume and chapter. Otherwise your post will just be an opinion and disregard information for this blog. Please do not twist what happen in the manga either because the manga will speak for itself. The reason this blog is mainly focused on the manga is because the manga is 100% approved by Rumiko Takahashi-sensei.

2) We are all fans of Inuyasha: just because we do not like a pairing we should not attack or harass others. We should be standing together and sharing our love for Inuyasha than attacking each other. Just because one is against a pairing does not give one permission to attack other fans what is canon or not canon. Fanon is what the fans create and other fans love. Therefore, should be accepted in the fandom, if someone puts Sesshoumaru with Ayame or Miroko with Kagome or dare should it be said, Sango with Quagmire from Family Guy.

3) The final act of the animation has been altered from the story from the manga. This change will be different, if you watched only the animation, and will lead to confusion. Just note it is different from the manga.

4) The two links with Faq in the link above, have been read a few times and have been compared with the manga. The facts are altered and reshaped to fit the blogs views. This blog believes their reasoning is critical for them to get a point across. However, their interpretation is not accurate from the manga.

5) Everyone is going to have different opinions. That does not make someone right or wrong. Some Inuyasha lovers will say Sesshoumaru and Rin are father and daughter then cringe at them being future lovers. Other would cringe at them being father and daughter because they see them as future lovers. And of course they can just see them as companions, like Inuyasha and Sango. The same goes with Kagura and Sesshoumaru being together; some approve or cringe of the thought. Any of these views does not make them wrong or right because they are judging from their knowledge. However, when you learn different perspectives from the culture from the original country, the viewer will learn how the author wanted the readers to see their story.

6) This blog is not a response to the blogs. Please remember, this blog is not attacking anyone or any fanon pairing. This blog only focused on the facts from the manga, and the misleading information from the blogs. The main goal of this blog is to provide correct information for fans of Inuyasha, and debunking the information provided in the blogs. This blog is not debunking any fanon pairings for fans to use in stories on fanfiction.net or any media for fans. In a words of a friend, "fanfiction is just that: "fan" fiction. There are no right or wrong pairings, just those you like. But that's the wonderful thing about fanfiction, we don't all have to like the same things and I think that's what makes fanfiction fun." Anyone could easily make any two characters a “canon” pair in how they interpret the manga when the manga does not support it. That does not make it true. No one should be attacked or bashed for a pairing. In the words of many fans, if you don’t like a certain pairing then don’t read them. No one should be attacked for what they believe in or don’t believe in. Each fan story is just a different parallel universe and does not change the real story from the manga. The end of the manga allow space for fan writers if you feel threaten that is not the blog intentions.

7) The plan was to post most of the information in one blog entry. However, this blog will be posted in selections to be user-friendly. If a reader disagrees with the claims this blogs makes, please read the sections that supports this blogs claim. There will be too much information for one entry containing most of the information together.

The following are results from the intensive research.

From the manga: (anime is below)

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as lovers: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential love interest: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as allies? Frenemies?: canon. (Toward the end)

Sesshoumaru and Rin as father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as adopted father and daughter: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin as guardian and ward: not canon (yes new interview ues a word that could use this but that word has different meanings like the next one)

Sesshoumaru as Rin’s guardian/protector: canon

Sesshoumaru raised Rin: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions: canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin as master and pet: not canon.

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) as lovers: not canon

Sesshoumaru and Rin (as a child) in a platonic relationship: canon

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: 殺りん: inconclusive but (possibly) implied

Sesshoumaru groomed Rin: Not cannon, that is a disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Sesshoumaru is a pedophile: Not cannon, another disgusting thought. Not supported by the source material. Just a way to attack people.

Loving Sesshourmaru and older Rin as lovers does not support: Child grooming, pedophilia, and any negative disgusting thought that is just attacking people.

From the Animation/Studio canon: All are the same but two.

Sesshoumaru and older Rin as lover: Studio canon

Sesshoumaru and Kagura as potential lovers: Could possibly be interpreted to studio canon but isn't, depends if a viewer will interpret the alter animation as such. The writers of this blog loves Kagura and can see how someone could interpret it as such but does not support that interpretation. Sesshoumaru and Kagura is a good Fanon pairing. However, cannonly, there is no support. Kagura, if she got her freedom would fly away and Sesshoumaru had no interested in her being with him as a follower or such.

Note: Some as claimed Sesshoumaru and Rin has a brother/sister relationship vibe, which could be interpreted and could fall into the companions’ category.


In addition, because of the amount of research, some information from the research has been removed from this main blog entry and made into their own page. These entries are from research from the claims on the internet that goes against Sesshoumaru and (older) Rin as lovers.

Clicking on the links below, you will not be taken to other page. Clicking on a link, the page would be below this section on this page.

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/disputing-blogs.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/not-father-and-daughter.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/samatitles.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/he-did-not-raise-rintime-line.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/age.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/future-lovers.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/canon-cd-dramaasatte.html

https://loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com/p/child-groominganother-negative-views.html

1) Both blogs had the same message at the end, both were worded differently. One said “You can like/dislike whatever you want, as long as you don't deny that this is the canon pairing” From the actions for over many years this is clearly not the case. People have the right to love a pairing and should not be told they are wrong. What does the actions with an intent to harm other fans say with false facts and trying to make everyone wrong when it goes against what you like? What does it say when someone attempts to control others and force them into someone’s own beliefs?

2) Let’s not show our hatred but give our friendship, from the actions that has been happening seems like someone needs a friend or more. They have their reasons in why they are doing. They need to know, if their reason is to protect Rin. They do not have to protect Rin, a character loved by Sesshoumaru and all the fans that is not going to be sexual abused. Or they feel threaten their view is wrong, it is so sad that they have been shown their hate for years. Would it not be better to be happy and spending time on the pairing a fan loves than to live hating a fiction couple and trying to spread that hatred? They could be masking their own pain by posting these links but how is attempting to make others feel the way they do going to help anything? In the blogs, they demean, Rin, Sesshoumaru, Rumiko Takahashi-sensei, the manga, romantic love, other fans, the one they could demean the most is the writer of the blogs. The blogs make the writer look threaten by other views and that they read a different manga apart from what Takahashi-sensei wrote. This blog is not attacking or trying to cause ill feelings with the writer, the blog is not making them feel that way. When someone attacks someone and belittles others, and judge them, it really shows how little and how insecure one is about their selves. Anyone twisting someone else words in trying to hurt them in retaliation is futile because it shows what they said were true and the words upset them with the truth. Perhaps they need to work on themselves, There is a possibly they have a lot in their past that they need to take care of. It is important for them to resolve their feelings themselves than taking it out on this blog or the Inuyasha fandom on innocent fans. The past is the past. They could attack this blog but they need to remember that this blog is fact driven by the manga and by the Japanese culture. Their fight is not with this blog.

3) Sesshoumaru’s canon love interest in the manga is no one or Rin when she is older. The manga definitely supports Sesshoumaru and Rin as companions by the words Takahashi-sensei used is how she wanted them to be seen. In addition, with “the future lovers?” entry of this blog, the manga could support them as future lovers. Moreover, in the canon entry of this blog, explains how the Drama Cd where Sesshoumaru proposes to Rin is studio canon. The best possible solution, if this blog did not solve the problem, is to say Sess/older Rin as a canon pairing are in the gray area. From the research the pairing rather it be canon or studio-canon of Sesshoumaru and Rin 〈殺りん〉is not going to go away. And this applies to all pairings like them being adoptive father and daughter as well. It just different viewpoints and it is not worth arguing about it or harassing others.

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Negative views placed on SessRin as a couple.

(Updating this soon10/19/2021)                                                                    

(Edited:1/13/2021)

 

Fan A:  I love SessRin together, they are the perfect couple. (Imagining ADULT Rin)

Fan B (to A):  Yuck, that is incest. Her RAISED her. Kagura is his true canon pairing.

Fan C (to A):  You’re sick, Rin is a child. Sesshoumaru is not a pedophile

Fan D (to A):  That is child grooming, wife husbandry… (or other negative views. )

Fan E (to A): You’re a pedophile, lilocon, and groomer.

Fan B and D: The canon sources don't support them.

Fan C: Canon supported but awful to treat someone like that. 

Fan E: IS FLAT-OUT WRONG. Peroid.

 

There is a misunderstanding with fans of the Inuyasha animation series when they hear other fans say they ship SessRin as lovers. Some fans would have negative claims because they don’t understand from their own customs, personal beliefs, and culture. They could simply misunderstand or overlook the Japanese culture especially since the manga could be mistranslated or because the English language does not have the right equivalent to word like Sama and Youkai or due to hierarchy language. which the meaning of the Japanese does not fully come across in English.

Reasons: There is the fact they only view Rin as a child.  Rin is not going to stay a child forever. Maybe they will see it as an Koga and Ayame situation.  Their morals and beliefs from how the interpretation the canon information which could be misinterpreted information by the actual canon. Unfortunately there are people called antisessrins that HATES SessRin ship and will always attack no matter what. It is okay to hate it but not okay to attack others, irrational.  It is sad Fan A gets attacked bashed for their own opinion because it goes against personal beliefs of others. The antis who hate are trying to stop the Sessrin pairing and stop people from shipping them. They don't want to admit they were wrong. In the 10 years we have been watching we have never seen a Sessrin try to stop any of the other ships even the SessKagu ship.  The Antis that has Sesskagu has caused people to hate Sesskagu and Kagura. These people are angry, insecure. jealous, haters, and/or a combination of all. Most of all they are lairs.    

The manga and anime (canon for the rest this page): They met and travel about up to five month. Then he leaves her with Kaede. She is still with Kaede 3 and half years later in the special chapter.

Incest: NOT CANON, the canon and this blog has clearly said Rumiko Takahashi-sensei wanted them to be viewed as companions. They are not blood-rated or father and daughter. Inuyasha’s Manga Profiles Book she is not listed as Kin, she is listed as a servant, like Jaken and A-un. In a recent interview she used hogosha to describe this and she didn't mean it as parent. Protector or guardian would fit. Parent does not fit, it goes against the real canon. 

He raised her: NOT CANON, Canon indications about up to five months, he did not raise Rin. He rarely visits her after he left her at the village according to an interview.

Wife-husbandry: NOT CANON. From Tvtrops.org Wife-husbandry means “a man scores with a woman because the man raised the woman when she was a child.” In addition to the definition the site also said at the end. “Note: A child simply meeting an adult and then them moving on to a romantic relationship when both are adults is not this trope. It is not for teacher/student relationships that become romantic. The adult must actually raise the child as their legal guardian.”  The canon never insinuated him adopting her either. He didn't raise her either. 

Pedophilia:  NOT CANON. Sesshoumaru is not a pedophile. From Google Search, a pedophile is “a person who is sexually attracted to children.”  Another definition, from webmd, “a pedophile is a person who has a sustained sexual orientation toward children, generally aged 13 or younger”.  Some fans and the Asian preceptive claimed he is courting her in chapter 558, this idea does not support pedophilia. And if he did fall in love with her, again this blog will say falling in love, being attracted to her as a person is not being sexually attracted to her when she is a child. May kinds of attraction. In Yashahime, She is 18, she is an adult and does not match this definition. She is not a child.  

Lolicon:  NOT CANON. This is a slang word with multiple meanings. Most meanings are similar to pedophile but aged 15 or younger. One definition is “An individual fixated on young, generally prepubescent, girls” (google search) The canon would be different and show different things. From the Drama CD, he will wait and allow her to make her own decision. The canon he is focus on a future with her not her as a child. falls more toward if he is fixated it is on her and the future not her as a child. If she was 8, Rin would be 18 having the twins. The fans who claim this needs to remember after Rin is 16 years old, all definitions and this view does not apply anymore. 

   Also calling a Sessrin that does not make sense they are interesting in a ship not fixated on girls. Someone needs to them that Sesshomaru is a male and 19 not a female 15 or younger. How does lolicon even applies to a ship?

Child-grooming: NOT CANON, this is definitely not supported in the canon. The idea of Sesshoumaru is courting her, and they will be future lovers. child-grooming is still not supported. This idea is disturbing someone would compare falling in love, to courting, to waiting and allow someone to decide their own heart to child grooming.  From google search, “Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions for child sexual abuse. It lures minors into trafficking of children, illicit businesses such as child prostitution, or the production of child pornography.”   

Just the idea of them courting does not support this heinous repulsive notion in attempt to making others wrong because someone hates the ship.

On a side note: Calling Sesshomaru pedomaru is also a heinous thought to only to promote hate.

 

What is Courting:  2 western and 2 eastern.

Site 1:   www.gotquestions.org/difference-dating-courting.html 

WesternCourtship takes the position that the two people have no physical contact at all (no touching, no hand-holding, no kissing) until marriage.”  

Site 2: http://datingtips.match.com/courtship-japan-13196896.html

EasternOn the surface, contemporary courtship in Japan does not markedly differ from that of its western counterparts. However, there are subtle contrasts that reflect Japan's cultural and religious differences, as well as its history of preferring arranged marriages” also this “Contemporary courtship in Japan is more subtle than dating in the United States. The blossoming of a relationship from friendship to marriage can take years. The relationship begins as friendship, with dates taking place only in public places, typically with groups of friends present. Public displays of affection are frowned upon. The next stage is dating only as a couple, which is done discreetly. Women typically withhold displays of extreme affection and proclamations of love until she deems her suitor is sincere. When the relationship enters the stage of magkasintahan, which means the status of boyfriend and girlfriend, the couple typically makes an announcement to friends and family members, with the suitor asking for parental permission to pursue the relationship. The man typically brings gifts when visiting the family.”

** We are aware site 2 is no longer working. We will work on finding a new source. Yes, we know magkasintahan is not a Japanese word. We did not write it. But it does not make it less true.  



Site 3:  https://backtojapan.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/japanese-dating-culture/ 

EasternAlso to be noted is that no physical intimacy occurs until after becoming boyfriend and girlfriend. I don’t just mean sex, but kissing and I think even hand holding.” “All of that comes after the relationship. Attempting a kiss can make a Japanese person think you are only interested in sex or a physical relationship and not a serious or romantic relationship. A lot of miscommunication can occur here. For example, often a Westerner will want to kiss someone they are seeing and the Easterner doesn’t want to be kissed yet. The Westerner will think the Easterner isn’t interested in a relationship with him/her. The Easterner will think the Westerner only wants to sleep with him/her and doesn’t want an actual relationship. Since we in the West use kissing as an expression of romantic intent and as a stepping stone to building a relationship, it can be especially confusing and frustrating”

Site 4: http://jamesmsama.com/2015/02/23/5-reasons-men-should-start-courting-women-again-2/

Western: “Courtship is (Read: Should be) a selfless act. It requires you to put in effort for another person’s enjoyment, learn about them, and learn about yourself in the process.”

 

 

Sesshoumaru had no sexual feelings or romantic interactions directed toward any children or any other character in the canon. The canon showed that he never touch Rin wrong and also indicates Rin is not sexual abused nor will she by Sesshoumaru. The canon is wrote with modern views and modern language. The canon does not support these negative views and we should not judge it with those negative views. 

Some fans sees a sweet, pure and innocence relationship with them becoming a romantic couple when she becomes an adult. DEAR ANTI SESSRIN, LEAVE THEM BE AND LET THEM SHIP WHAT THEY WANT TO.    

Why does some fans act like it is sinful for him to be courting her? Because they misunderstand courtship and thinking about her being a child with him. If this going to be wrote with old societies laws, Rin may be consider an adult or close to being an adult in that time period. Think about this, in this era, if he is indeed in love with her which do you prefer him marrying in love or marrying by arrange marriage and not have love?   A lot of the marriages in Japan were/are arranged marriages.

Unfortunately, all the negative views placed on something innocence is true in real live. 

 

                                                        REAL LIFE ISSUE

What is talked about next does not need to be fought with any animation characters. The ones that uses animations characters especially Sesshoumaru and Rin for this needs to ask themselves stand up as a fandom against something wrong or make enemies causing more hatred. The ones posting the blogs has live with hatred from other fans for many years. Do they still want to live with more hatred or fight for something worth fighting about instead of fighting over something small?  It is believed that most of the Inuyasha fandom would stand up to fight this, especially the ones that ship Sesshoumaru and Rin because child marriages especially parent forced child marriages are wrong. Some girls are forced to marry their own rapist because of religious views or personal beliefs. Sometimes, personal beliefs are wrong.

This happens everywhere http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/where-does-it-happen/

Even the USA. http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage/united-states/

This is a powerful video/story    http://www.sliptalk.com/12-year-old-gets-married/

Site 1 http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/10/28/452540839/children-get-married-in-the-u-s-too-15girls  “But 178 of the newlyweds (the data did not identify gender or other details only the ages) were between ages 10 and 15.”

Site 2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/opinion/americas-child-marriage-problem.html?_r=1

“Of course, one person’s “parental consent” can be another’s “parental coercion,” but state laws typically do not call for anyone to investigate whether a child is marrying willingly. Even in the case of a girl’s sobbing openly while her parents sign the application and force her into marriage, the clerk usually has no authority to intervene. In fact, in most states there are no laws that specifically forbid forced marriage.”

“Shockingly, 91 percent of the children were married to adults, often at ages or with age differences that could have triggered statutory-rape charges, not a marriage license. A judge in 2006 approved the marriage of a 10-year-old boy to an 18-year-old woman. A judge in 1996 allowed a 12-year-old girl to marry a 25-year-old man.”

‘Forced marriage is a widespread but often ignored problem in the United States. A survey by the Tahirih Justice Center, an NGO that provides services to immigrant women and girls, identified as many as 3,000 known or suspected forced-marriage cases just between 2009 and 2011, many involving girls under age 18. Tactics used against the victims included threats of ostracism, beatings or death.”

How to fight: http://www.icrw.org/what-we-do/adolescents/child-marriage

Some of those marriages in USA could be immigrants with their own beliefs and customs from their own country. This is the real fight, let is try to put an end to child marriage and stop arguing over fiction characters from a story. Because no 10 year old boy should had to marry an 18 year old woman or no 12 year old girl should have to marry a 25 year old man. Moreover, no 16 or 17 year old or any age should be forced into a marriage by their parents or judge, which should be their own decision.

Let’s stand up against another issues as well like rape, human trafficking, child grooming, incest, pedophilia than make false accusations on fiction characters.

Can you picture a whole fandom standing up for what is right?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/child-brides/gorney-text

Fake story?

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/rawstory/citing_13_year_old_groom_florida_lawmaker_proposes_bill_to_outlaw_child_marriage/

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/03/citing-13-year-old-groom-florida-lawmaker-proposes-bill-to-outlaw-child-marriage/

 

 

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaining-pedophilia

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+pedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+child+grooming&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WifeHusbandry